"People use the word 'love' a lot of different ways. Take me, for instance. I am often heard saying that I love my mom and dad. I am also often heard saying that I love pizza. What am I saying when I say I love my mom and dad? I'm saying that I care about them. I'm saying that I love spending time with them and that I talk to them every chance I get. I'm saying that if they needed me, I would do every humanly possible to help them. I'm saying that I always want what's best for them. What am I saying when I say I love pizza? Am I saying that I care deeply about pizza? Am I saying that I have a relationship with pizza? Am I saying that if pizza had a problem, I would be there for the pizza? (What? Not enough pepperoni? I'll be right there!) Of course not. When I say I love pizza, I'm just saying that I enjoy eating pizza until I don't want any more pizza. Once I'm tired of the pizza, I don't care what happens to the rest of it. I'll throw it away. I'll feed it to the dog. I'll stick it in the back of the refrigerator until it gets all green and moldy. It doesn't matter to me anymore. These are two very different definition of the word 'love'. It gets confusing when people start talking about love, and especially about loving you. Which way do these people love you? Do they want what is best for you, or do they just want you around because it is good for them, and they don't really care what happens to you? Next time someone looks deeply into your eyes and says 'I love you', look very deeply right back and say, 'Would that be pizza love, or the real thing?" - Mary Beth Bonacci
REALLY HOW COULD IT BE?
I remember a story of a friend´s sister who at the age of 10 put on a pair of glasses for the first time ever and declared with surprise “Trees have leaves!!” She had only seen blurred images before. No-one had realised, not even herself that she couldn´t see well - how can you know that you don´t have it, if you don´t have it?
I have this
sneaky idea that many men, who had intense co-dependent relationships with
their mothers, shut off their negative feelings. They want only the idealised view of their
mummy so they cut off a part of their brain so that her nastiness won’t affect
them so they are immune to their emotions.
There was an
article once in La Vanguardia “La Contra” that explained how children manage
their emotions with a mother who is always shouting, or complaining, by turning
off the ability to receive that sound frequency in their brains - they turn a
deaf ear…they use a self defence mechanism to not hear her and her anger. It is the only way these little children can
survive.
Further, these
little kids don´t have any supporting information in their story books about
bad mothers, only about witches, and even as a society we don´t tend to
remember images about bad mothers, only the ever loving, ever present mother
who makes people feel warm and goey for products on television adverts. Even those who remember their mother in any
other terms other than archetypal beauty, prefer to remain in silence.
Having cut off
these images and emotions as children, as adults it would seem they have grown
so accustomed to this half empty tool box that they don´t notice they don’t
have certain registers. They are used to
living in a world where there are fuzzy boundaries, they are probably used with
Gestalt techniques to joining up the gaps so their perception appears
continuous. They are used to living without certain images, with invisible non
explored feelings that were denied by the mother and society. There are only a few brave spirited men to
break an unhealthy relationship with their mother. They would prefer, or so it would seem, to
break contemporary relationships with other women who they have been unfaithful
to their mother with.
It is not that
narcissists don´t have emotions, they have very strong ones, so terrifyingly
overpowering and negative that they hide them, repress, block and transmute
them.
So having cut
out most memories, these men don´t actually have any real information about if
their mother loved them or not. Their self esteem (self love) is at stake. So they go out into the world trying to get
everyone to love them, to support their unsupported version of the story that
their mother was wonderful and loved him.
He needs to be number one to show himself that he has the solid base
that mothers give to their children through their love, care and support…and
that is why he is a success…he needs constant attention, he is addicted to
narcissistic supply, to be reminded of his god status, that people adore him, that
he is always right. If they do not have this constant cover-up that
they confuse with universal pure love, they slump into the other story…my
mother didn´t love me, who am I? I am a
failure…which they cannot stand, because they do not have the tools to deal
with it. They are unable to integrate
“good” and “bad”, they have two different, separated, unconnected images:
mother and bitch, success and failure, supergodme and pathetic failure. They have to face themselves and one of the
problems of their psychopathology is that they tend to have rather unsavoury
lives.
I´m not saying all narcissists are like this, but one that I got to know I believe was unable to imagine. I
wonder if is a defence against the mother’s threat “If don´t do this for me then
(unimaginable horror) will happen”. He
was unable to imagine very simple things, so that I wondered if he was actually
mentally handicapped, while at the same time he had a wonderful memory for
information. Imagine not being able to
imagine! Images help to connect the
present situation with the future or the past to bring more information and
hopefully higher levels of wisdom into the present situation and the decisions
within it. Images also help give meaning to the present...and imagination
allows us to go back into images of past memories with the wisdom we have now,
to try and work out what really happened. We can replay our feelings,
comprehending better the past, present or future situation, and healing
ourselves.
Without images
suddenly you cannot recreate events and have only information and dry facts
(which makes memory much easier, and these men seems to have prolific memories
of information that is very impressive and makes them look really quite
superior)…they are unable to imagine a future, they cannot imagine the image of
their past. If you can´t image you cannot travel through time. They cannot access any information that is
not present here-now or stored in a factual memory and so they cannot access
emotions out of this time frame. Without
imagination they cannot imagine being someone else, they have no empathy. All
of which could explain why they really just don´t care about anyone who is not
in front of their noses, because they just haven´t the capacity to image that
person - they have ceased (temporarily) to exist. Im-portar means to carry within, without an
image they find no-one is really important to them at all. They are trapped in
a strange here-now…seeing everything, contacting with it but as isolated
continuum, experiencing things without feeling them, living in a sort of bubble
where no-one but themselves as kings of the road and their mummies exist (even
if they are dead).
Narcissist
perhaps through fear of remembering the past, are “stuck” in the present. Ironically it is where we are all trying
consciously to get to...hence this sort of "guru" thing...but surely
it is a false guru unaware of where they are, how they got there, unable to
apply any meaning, or understand their actions in a deeper sense, they have no
empathy, are unable to love. They have
learnt what is right to say and what is wrong, without really understanding
why, but they know how to get the results they want (they want what they are
addicted to: narcissitic supply). They confuse human love with an ideal of "pure
love", write beautiful poems, tell you wonders, but cannot actually apply
it, they cannot bring down from that perfectionist place of "pure beauty
and love" down to earth, they cannot apply that "universal love"
to reality, which is here and now...irrepeatable...they love all women but are
incapable of having a relationship with just one (who by definition cannot be
perfect).
Another narcissist
I met, having had a very difficult childhood in anyone´s books, is unable to
feel at all. The only solution is to
think. They need information. They need information to where they are
going, and the logical stages they will go through…lets say a journey…they have
the info about the whole journey, the times, the costs, the routes, they have
studied it, memorized the information…they are relieved they will not have to
ask anyone for anything…because without feelings, there is no information about
the person or the situation. Nothing to
show them whether to trust or not, how to act, nothing to help guide them
through situations in this here-now that is unrepeatable and doesn´t conform to
any pre-existing patterns. They cannot cope with what we call reality. Chaos is ordered not in the moment with the
application of feelings, but by going over the top of it, walking on their idealised,
perfectly functioning mental maps, blind to how it actually is, here-now, stuck
in theories of how it should be.
RELATIONSHIPS WITH NARCISSISTS
RELATIONSHIPS WITH NARCISSISTS
Dr. Sam Vaknin
says
The narcissist's partner is perceived by him to be merely a Source of Narcissistic Supply, an instrument, an extension of himself. It is inconceivable that – blessed by the constant presence of the narcissist – such a tool would malfunction. The needs and grievances of the partner are perceived by the narcissist as threats and slights.
The narcissist considers his very presence in the relationship as nourishing and sustaining. He feels entitled to the best others can offer without investing in maintaining his relationships or in catering to the well-being of his "suppliers". To rid himself of deep-set feelings of (rather justified) guilt and shame – he pathologizes the partner.
He projects his own mental illness unto her. Through the intricate mechanism of projective identification he forces her to play an emergent role of "the sick" or "the weak" or "the naive" or "the dumb" or "the no good". What he denies in himself, what he is loath to face in his own personality – he attributes to others and moulds them to conform to his prejudices against himself.
The narcissist must have the best, the most glamorous, stunning, talented, head turning, mind-boggling spouse in the entire world. Nothing short of this fantasy will do. To compensate for the shortcomings of his real life spouse – he invents an idealised figure and relates to it instead.
Then, when reality conflicts too often and too evidently with this figment – he reverts to devaluation. His behaviour turns on a dime and becomes threatening, demeaning, contemptuous, berating, reprimanding, destructively critical and sadistic – or cold, unloving, detached, and "clinical". He punishes his real life spouse for not living up to his fantasy, for "refusing" to be his Galathea, his Pygmalion, his ideal creation. The narcissist plays a wrathful and demanding God.
Dr. Sam Vaknin
sumarises you should never date a narcissist.
I completely agree. I am writing
this blog, not to point blame, but to help women who are in a relationship with
a narcissist to realise:
1) it is not
your fault
2) they will
never have any real feelings for you (you are bashing your head against a
wall…it is like trying to talk about atheism with a fundamentalist)
3) you will
never get back to those wonderful glorious moments when you met (that really
did happen even though you doubt the possibility of them actually ever being
true).
4) you will
not recover or recuperate anything that you put into the relationship, no
matter how big your sacrifice.
5) Even if you
do the most outrageous things, even if you are suicidal, even if you make
yourself super beautiful, even if you write a book and become famous, he will
not give you the attention that you need, he will only come to you if he thinks
you will give him narcissist supply. End
of story.
THE CULTURE OF THE EGO
We are living in a narcissistic society, capitalism breeds it, like fungus. Meanwhile us women are spoon-fed on dreams of a wonderful princess style life. Narcissist could constitute up to 30% of the population (spreading into women) according to That number has doubled in the last 30 years. The same researchers reported a 40 percent decline in empathy among young people, a personality attribute inversely related to narcissism, since the 1980s. Meanwhile the new hysteria, "conversion disorder" is estimated with a prevalence anywhere between 30 and 60% (with between 2 and 6 female patients for every male).
We are living in a narcissistic society, capitalism breeds it, like fungus. Meanwhile us women are spoon-fed on dreams of a wonderful princess style life. Narcissist could constitute up to 30% of the population (spreading into women) according to That number has doubled in the last 30 years. The same researchers reported a 40 percent decline in empathy among young people, a personality attribute inversely related to narcissism, since the 1980s. Meanwhile the new hysteria, "conversion disorder" is estimated with a prevalence anywhere between 30 and 60% (with between 2 and 6 female patients for every male).
There
seem to be few men who do not have at least slight narcissistic personality
disorder, and few women do not suffer at least slightly from hysterical
personality disorder. They go hand in
glove…the narcissist loves to manipulate the feelings he himself can´t access
in the woman who has too many…women love to be able to pour all their emotions
into his empty container where there is plenty of space for them to go. Both of them, for a time, lap it up. They have found between them heaven.
But the fact
that you are with a narcissist, and that he is narcissist, is not your
fault. Your feelings, irritating that
you would prefer to deny, the wicked witch lurking around the corner, are not
your core personality even when he says they are…it is important to be able to
maintain distance between what is being expected of you, and who you are.
Perhaps you
had a father who was a narcissist.
Perhaps you realised that his need to be number one with everyone as
supporting role was more important than your need to be who you really are when
you were a child. Perhaps you simply got
used to this slight and constant put down of all people around a narcissist, perhaps
you got used to all these and knew that your daddy loved you anyway…and so
mixed yourself into and got mixed up between an ideal of pure love and what in
reality is slight abuse…which is where you feel most comfortable (because you
know the rules). When someone says to you “Ohh you little idiot, how I love
you!” how does it make you feel when you know he would only say that to you, especially only to you because you are
so close?
Being loved
10% instead of 0% is not better…we need to aim at 100% with an average of 90%
(we all have bad days). If we have low
self esteem (self love) we are attracted to those with apparently high self
esteem (so we can learn from them), and try to connect with them emotionally,
but Narcissists
have no interest in emotional or even intellectual stimulation by significant
others. Such feedback is perceived as a threat.
Narcissists
do feel bad about hurting others and about the unsavoury course their lives
tend to assume. But the narcissist feels bad only when his Supply Sources are
threatened because of his behaviour or following a narcissistic injury in the
course of a major life crisis.
TRUSTING YOURSELF
TRUSTING YOURSELF
What I really
want to say is have faith what you are feeling in your relationships. Use your emotions as your friends, guides,
parents. I believe, from the stories from my close friends and intimate
conversations, that as women we are all put into extreme situations. Which
leads to the conclusion that we have all experienced extreme lack of love, or,
I hang out with a weird bunch of women.
Difficult to really know! However
weirdo women, when you are put into an extreme situation have FAITH in your
feelings, listen to them. When the
thought in your head says “It is impossible that I feel like this…no-one in
their right mind would treat even their enemy like this”…remember he has very
little contact with his feelings, and has no idea as to the emotional
consequences of his actions. He cannot understand that you are upset by him
wanting to take everything that you value and trashing it. You may go to him
forced into over exaggerated weeping trying to get his fleeting attention (a
favourite of the hysterics) and lay on the ground screaming “Why? Why do you
make me feel like this?” (the more theatrical the more addictive it becomes…try
throwing things too, or standing under a cold shower with your clothes on, it
will bring down the hysteria, and make an impact on him that he will instantly
forget or use as evidence for your continuing and worrying madness…)
“Why???!!!” you repeat for the millionth
time and eventually he will respond, and you will hear the honesty in his calm words
“I don´t feel like you do about it, I think you´ve made a mistake”. Meanwhile we are so desperate to stay on
track with Julia Roberts and Cinderella, and become the queen of Sheba, we
irrationally believe that this man here, so calm in the middle of our harrowing
emotional torment, can help us become the woman of our dreams, if only he would
connect to his potential, if only he would treat us differently, like he did
once. With our dreams still in tact, we
prefer to listen to him rather than ourselves.
He is right: he really doesn´t feel.
You are right: you really do feel.
You are NOT going mad. What you
see exists, only he cannot see it. It is
ironically the same story but backwards that he has had with his mother. She negated anything he felt negatively
towards her.
WHY DO WE STAY THERE?
WHY DO WE STAY THERE?
What seems to
keep us going is the memory of how is was so beautiful right at the
beginning. Yes of course it was, a
narcissist found someone to project his positive emotions of his mother
onto…you lapped it up…he declared undying love, he came back earlier on a jet
plane just to see you, he wrote you poems, you did a marriage ceremony together
in secret, and told you that without you he would die, that you had changed his
life, that for the first time he feels alive….and it made you feel, great,
useful, accepted, recognised…only you were projecting onto him your dream man,
and neither of you could see behind those silver screens. Until the reality hits, the narcissist
realises you are not like his mother, and instead, without control, projects onto
you his unacceptable bad feelings he has for his mother and you become his
bitch. He doesn´t say it of course, he
actually struggles against it, cos deep down perhaps he does feel for you, but
apart from his mummy all women are bitches to him. His mummy even told him that. Meanwhile you
keep on with this idea that if only he would connect to that glorious potential
you can see in him, you will be living the dream. He won´t, you won´t.
Musical
interval: Carly Simon “You´re so vain, you probably think this song is about
you”.
WHAT TO DO?
WHAT TO DO?
You can only
live your dream if YOU make it happen even with the best of men at your
arm. And he, to be frank has no idea
that there are leaves on trees, and at this age would prefer to keep thinking
he is the king of the world because it´s such a nice feeling, and much better
than abject depression he would have to go through to begin to accept the his
actual not so glamorous reality. An
inflated ego, the higher it is, the harder the fall. He would prefer to wank his psyche.
The problem,
remember, is that they cannot get out of the relationship with their
mother. They have room in their heart
for one…their mummy. Their idealised woman.
They can have ANY woman around them, as pretty, as beautiful, as
intelligence, as romantic, as good company as we exist, but they only have room
for one. Get over it! It is not going to
change easily, and if it does it has to come from him. You are NOT EVER going to save him. EVER. And really who would want a man who
changed for someone else instead of for himself? You are absolved…it is not personal. It is not your fault. You are not what he says you are (the
projections of a bad woman). You have
just unfortunately fallen into a trap, and in my understanding, better to be
alone than being sucked alive.
But, I hear
myself and other women cry, “Ohh but when it is good, it is SO good!!” Of course!
Narcissists, to try and get attention from their negligent mother (real
or perceived), have created all sorts of sophisticated psychological masks that
are, quite frankly, addictive. They know
how to pull someone around just as they are about to leave a relationship. They
know how to manipulate others…simply because it is what they have learnt to
do. They have so few feelings, that
things are much more simple. They don’t
feel so much guilt, they don´t really feel, there is nothing to stop them doing
what they want. No emotions are going to
crucify them. They can steal from
anyone, hurt others, do whatever they want, without too much baggage.
PSYCHOPATHS AND EMOTIONS
Narcissists and Psychopaths seem to be on a similar continuum, they have similar genetics and brain anatomy according to this programme. It would seem that psychopaths constitute around 5% of the population (Salekin et al., 2001). Of course there is a difference between people who diet and people who are anorexic are on the same continuum. I refer to psychopaths and narcissists in the same manner. In an experiment they showed photos to psychopaths of people´s facial gestures representing emotions. They had no idea what it was all about. One guy, seeing fear, said “That is the face my victims make before I kill them”. An “I” connected with emotions, would not be able to continue seeing and empathising with that fear because it would eventually hurt itself too much (a selfish self defense), but psychopaths and narcissists to a lesser degree don´t have that mechanism. They cannot empathise.
Narcissists and Psychopaths seem to be on a similar continuum, they have similar genetics and brain anatomy according to this programme. It would seem that psychopaths constitute around 5% of the population (Salekin et al., 2001). Of course there is a difference between people who diet and people who are anorexic are on the same continuum. I refer to psychopaths and narcissists in the same manner. In an experiment they showed photos to psychopaths of people´s facial gestures representing emotions. They had no idea what it was all about. One guy, seeing fear, said “That is the face my victims make before I kill them”. An “I” connected with emotions, would not be able to continue seeing and empathising with that fear because it would eventually hurt itself too much (a selfish self defense), but psychopaths and narcissists to a lesser degree don´t have that mechanism. They cannot empathise.
I am not
saying that narcissists are not “bad”, but given their toolbox I think we would
all be quite similar. We are all human
beings, and there are reasons why we don’t kill each other, we would feel
terrible for years…those who don´t feel
so bad have a harder time controlling their egos.
FINDING "IT" YOURSELF
The answer is to try and find what that person appears to give you, in your self. A narcissist has such a good mask of emotions…they write you poetry, and amazing stories, and tell you such great fantasy, but there is nothing real behind it all…we need to find what it is we are looking for in ourselves, for real. We need to learn to provide it for ourselves. We need to learn to set limits, so that the next time a narcissist knocks on our door, we don´t go into la-la land ourselves (therefore making ourselves vulnerable to illusion makers) thinking that we have found the man of our dreams, and that Cinderella, after all her hard work in the kitchen, is going to be able to lounge around on a beach drinking cocktails with Richard Gere.
FINDING "IT" YOURSELF
The answer is to try and find what that person appears to give you, in your self. A narcissist has such a good mask of emotions…they write you poetry, and amazing stories, and tell you such great fantasy, but there is nothing real behind it all…we need to find what it is we are looking for in ourselves, for real. We need to learn to provide it for ourselves. We need to learn to set limits, so that the next time a narcissist knocks on our door, we don´t go into la-la land ourselves (therefore making ourselves vulnerable to illusion makers) thinking that we have found the man of our dreams, and that Cinderella, after all her hard work in the kitchen, is going to be able to lounge around on a beach drinking cocktails with Richard Gere.
Instead of
living through others, let’s live.
Instead of relying on someone else for support, or supporting them in
what we would have liked to do ourselves, let’s live our own lives, as we ourselves see fit.
We need to get
out of our fantasies girls! We need to realise that we create our own lives and
that we don´t need anyone else to do it.
Only then will we stop needing a man, believing their fantasies about
themselves, and accept a person who is true to themselves, self contained, who
is walking their own path beside us for a while. On the surface it might be a
bit boring even, having no glorious highs nor terrifying lows. By taking
responsibility for our own lives, we don’t sell ourselves cheap, we don´t give
away parts of ourselves, giving the other the responsibility of achieving what
we want, and when they don´t do it as we want, getting angry, frustrated, sad,
feeling abused…
When you yearn
for that person who will love you as you love, for that friend who supports and
cares for you as much as you do for your friends, when you wish to be mothered
as you mother others, then perhaps it is enough to realise that the lover, the
friend, the mother you look for is inside of you.
Love
is an action, a choice. Love is not really an emotion. Listen to what men say,
enjoy it, but watch what they really do, how they really make you feel, be
strong enough to not blind yourself, in vain attempts to be unfaithful to
yourself. You are worth what you feel
you are worth, and more. Love, love,
love, use your hearts, but also use your brains.
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